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	<title>Comments on: Django</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Russell</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having developed with Zope2+3, Pylons, Cheetah, web.py, Turbogears and django, I'd say they all have their merits for different use cases.  Django is so popular right now because it sits in the middle or most use cases.   
If you have a multi database setup, then django doesn't support it within the same app (that is you need two different projects with two settings.py).
In those cases, Pylons or Zope is a better fit.

I personally can't stand the underscore counting django database idiom, and much prefer SQLAlchemy's approach.   
It's not that it uses underscores per say, more that it's not intuitive (to me at least) .  
It does (however much I don't like it) however give users (as in us programmers) a consistant way to use the api, and this is what draws people to django.
SQLAlchemy has too many ways to do the same thing, and you've pretty much got to understand big chunks of the api before you can use it properly.
That being said,  that might not be a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having developed with Zope2+3, Pylons, Cheetah, web.py, Turbogears and django, I&#8217;d say they all have their merits for different use cases.  Django is so popular right now because it sits in the middle or most use cases.  <br />
If you have a multi database setup, then django doesn&#8217;t support it within the same app (that is you need two different projects with two settings.py).<br />
In those cases, Pylons or Zope is a better fit.</p>
<p>I personally can&#8217;t stand the underscore counting django database idiom, and much prefer SQLAlchemy&#8217;s approach.  <br />
It&#8217;s not that it uses underscores per say, more that it&#8217;s not intuitive (to me at least) . <br />
It does (however much I don&#8217;t like it) however give users (as in us programmers) a consistant way to use the api, and this is what draws people to django.<br />
SQLAlchemy has too many ways to do the same thing, and you&#8217;ve pretty much got to understand big chunks of the api before you can use it properly.<br />
That being said,  that might not be a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Elinow</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Elinow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started working with django a few months ago and from scratch built http://www.inkedmagonline.com for Inked Magazine.  Things were a little messy at first for some of the conventions, but I've quickly learned better (more django-ish) manners of executing what i wanted to do.

I think Cheetah is a nicer template engine, but I've found there is still enough flexibility in Django's template system to get what I need done, done.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started working with django a few months ago and from scratch built <a href="http://www.inkedmagonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inkedmagonline.com</a> for Inked Magazine.  Things were a little messy at first for some of the conventions, but I&#8217;ve quickly learned better (more django-ish) manners of executing what i wanted to do.</p>
<p>I think Cheetah is a nicer template engine, but I&#8217;ve found there is still enough flexibility in Django&#8217;s template system to get what I need done, done.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE templates, yeah it's pretty obvious that anything that spits out HTML can be used in place of the django template system. It works well enough, but doesn't look nice on first glance, that's all.

RE comment responses, Sounds good, I've added something which says it does that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE templates, yeah it&#8217;s pretty obvious that anything that spits out HTML can be used in place of the django template system. It works well enough, but doesn&#8217;t look nice on first glance, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>RE comment responses, Sounds good, I&#8217;ve added something which says it does that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Reddit:

It's Pylons.  The FAQ entry is out of date.

http://reddit.com/info/69j0t/comments/c038rlx

(spez is the technical cofounder and lead developer of Reddit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Reddit:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Pylons.  The FAQ entry is out of date.</p>
<p><a href="http://reddit.com/info/69j0t/comments/c038rlx" rel="nofollow">http://reddit.com/info/69j0t/comments/c038rlx</a></p>
<p>(spez is the technical cofounder and lead developer of Reddit).</p>
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		<title>By: Beetle B.</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Beetle B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the template language, it pays to read the FAQ:

"I can’t stand your template language. Do I have to use it?

We happen to think our template engine is the best thing since chunky bacon, but we recognize that choosing a template language runs close to religion. There’s nothing about Django that requires using the template language, so if you’re attached to ZPT, Cheetah, or whatever, feel free to use those."

On an unrelated note, as you're using Wordpress, it would be *really* nice if you could get the plugin that allows people who leave comments to be notified of responses via email so that people like myself can carry on a conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the template language, it pays to read the FAQ:</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t stand your template language. Do I have to use it?</p>
<p>We happen to think our template engine is the best thing since chunky bacon, but we recognize that choosing a template language runs close to religion. There’s nothing about Django that requires using the template language, so if you’re attached to ZPT, Cheetah, or whatever, feel free to use those.&#8221;</p>
<p>On an unrelated note, as you&#8217;re using Wordpress, it would be *really* nice if you could get the plugin that allows people who leave comments to be notified of responses via email so that people like myself can carry on a conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those curious/not in the know:

http://reddit.com/help/faq

(near the bottom)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those curious/not in the know:</p>
<p><a href="http://reddit.com/help/faq" rel="nofollow">http://reddit.com/help/faq</a></p>
<p>(near the bottom)</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe reddit uses web.py.

@Adam: 

Re: Templating... Perhaps you are the one who hasn't used many templating languages... The Django default templates are quite simply entirely useless. Name _any_ other templating system and you've got yourself a better alternative. I'm not even going to name any since literally all of them are better than the default Django stuff.

Re: "proving you're an idiot"... Why not, instead of just trolling, give some examples of what you would use it for... I found it a pain to setup for anything but trivial models. Painful to customize and would never consider pointing a client to it to do updates to their site/content. It's marginally better than invoking an interpreter and manually creating and editing your records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe reddit uses web.py.</p>
<p>@Adam: </p>
<p>Re: Templating&#8230; Perhaps you are the one who hasn&#8217;t used many templating languages&#8230; The Django default templates are quite simply entirely useless. Name _any_ other templating system and you&#8217;ve got yourself a better alternative. I&#8217;m not even going to name any since literally all of them are better than the default Django stuff.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;proving you&#8217;re an idiot&#8221;&#8230; Why not, instead of just trolling, give some examples of what you would use it for&#8230; I found it a pain to setup for anything but trivial models. Painful to customize and would never consider pointing a client to it to do updates to their site/content. It&#8217;s marginally better than invoking an interpreter and manually creating and editing your records.</p>
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		<title>By: John Devor</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>John Devor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; I should point out that Pylons is used quite frequently as well, powering websites like http://reddit.com and http://www.virgincharter.com . Not to mention zope is very widely used.

Reddit is done with django.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I should point out that Pylons is used quite frequently as well, powering websites like <a href="http://reddit.com" rel="nofollow">http://reddit.com</a> and <a href="http://www.virgincharter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.virgincharter.com</a> . Not to mention zope is very widely used.</p>
<p>Reddit is done with django.</p>
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		<title>By: John Devor</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>John Devor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; The modularisation of sub-apps within a ‘website’ is cool but I’m not sure of a use yet

The module system is very useful,  indeed. It makes it _very_ easy to integrate with somebody else's code (if properly designed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The modularisation of sub-apps within a ‘website’ is cool but I’m not sure of a use yet</p>
<p>The module system is very useful,  indeed. It makes it _very_ easy to integrate with somebody else&#8217;s code (if properly designed).</p>
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		<title>By: h3</title>
		<link>http://danros.org.uk/2008/02/25/django/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>h3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Template system is ugly (everyone says this)"

Eh, it's funny because it's the first thing I liked about Django and I never heard anybody complaining about it.

If you're really not happy with it you can change it and use whatever python template system you like.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Template system is ugly (everyone says this)&#8221;</p>
<p>Eh, it&#8217;s funny because it&#8217;s the first thing I liked about Django and I never heard anybody complaining about it.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really not happy with it you can change it and use whatever python template system you like.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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